Voices — John and Ken, 1993


Note:
The Daily Mirror revisits Times archival stories about today’s
news makers. Here’s a column by John Kobylt published in 1993–lrh

Counterpunch

      

Forget the Ideology–Radio’s a Business

May 31, 1993
      
      
By JOHN KOBYLT, Kobylt and his partner, Ken Chiampou, host the "John and Ken Show," weekdays from 4-7 p.m. on KFI-AM 640.
      
Claudia Puig’s article on KFI’s success ("KFI: Turn On, Tune In, Turn
Right," Calendar, May 20) suggests that KFI’s management uses some sort
of conservative litmus test before hiring talk-show hosts. The article
implies that because of Rush Limbaugh’s success, KFI has stumbled on a
frightening, dark secret: Only conservative hosts will attract an
audience on talk radio.
      
Boy, if it were only that easy. Just hire a half-dozen loud,
conservative men, open up the microphone and let ’em rip. Before long,
you’ve got huge profits. It makes you wonder why everyone in radio
isn’t doing that. Why, there should be wall-to-wall conservatism
blasting from every frequency on the dial. We’ve got at least five
soft-rock stations in town, don’t we?
      
Frankly, we at KFI had a good laugh at Puig’s piece. Now, here’s a
lesson in Radio 101: Radio is a hard, cold, numbers-driven business.
Nothing more. A talk host must draw a large audience, and that audience
must be sold to advertisers to make the company money. Do that in Los
Angeles, and they pay you very well. If you don’t, you’re gone–fact.
Just like in television, just like in the movies. You either produce a
salable audience or you don’t. Millions of dollars in advertising
revenue are at stake.
      
Gee, I wish I could stick around for the next 30 years just
broadcasting ideology out of the party handbook. It would make my life
much easier. And I love a conspiracy theory as much as the next guy. It
would be wonderful to have a "conservative media" theory to balance the
"liberal media" claptrap that’s always bandied about. It does make the
pulse race to think about media executives plotting to turn KFI’s
50,000-watt radio signal into a beacon of pro-right propaganda. But
that’s not the way the business works.
      
Puig lumped my partner Ken Chiampou and me in with the rest of KFI’s
so-called conservative lineup (we’re not conservative, but that’s
beside the point). She might be shocked to find out the secret criteria
KFI uses in its hiring process.
      
KFI hired us because they think Ken and I are funny, controversial,
intelligent and–get ready–because we made a boatload of money for the
owners of our previous station.
      
Our political beliefs never came up. When we meet with our program
director, David Hall, it’s never about our politics. Same with our
general manager, Howard Neal. I don’t know what their politics are.
Hell, I don’t even know the names of many people in management, because
the parent company is based in Atlanta.
      
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Obviously, Limbaugh and Daryl Gates are conservative. And many in their
audience find their political views to be the most appealing part of
their show. But if conservatism alone is the way to be successful in
broadcasting, then whatever happened to Morton Downey, Wally George and
George Putnam?
      
Entertainment is the main purpose of talk radio. You’re dead without a
strong sense of showmanship. If you’re going to keep someone hooked,
you better have more than conservative politics going for you, because
there are 85 alternatives on the L.A. radio dial. Politics can be used
as a major source of material for entertainment, but a host’s specific
political label cannot be used as the sole attraction. Otherwise, the
show will fail–and many have.
      
Finally, if KFI’s managers were truly obsessed with promoting
conservatism, and if they believed conservatism was the only way to
draw an audience, wouldn’t they then change KFI’s slogan to "More
Conservative Talk Radio?" But they won’t. The phrase is "More
Stimulating Talk Radio." Because it’s the stimulation that draws the
audience.
      
The executives here at KFI make far too much money and the company
itself is way too profitable for them to risk screwing it up by
promoting an ideology. It’s bad for business, and like everything else
in life, that’s all radio is–a business.
      
      




KFI: Turn On, Tune In, Turn Right

Radio: The talk-radio station’s executives say its climb up the
charts is due to compelling programming. Others point to the
conservative slate of hosts.

May 20, 1993

By CLAUDIA PUIG, TIMES STAFF WRITER

In
its climb up the ratings charts over the past four years, talk-radio
station KFI-AM (640) has taken on a much more conservative tone,
following the lead of its top-rated personality, Rush Limbaugh. The
extent to which this shift accounts for the station’s rise to No. 4 in
the market is the subject of a debate as spirited as any heard on its
airwaves.

KFI officials say that politics has little to do with their programming rationale.

"In
programming the station, I don’t think of ideology," program director
David Hall said. "I look for other factors entirely: compelling,
stimulating, thought-provoking."

"The reason that KFI is a
growing station is because there are stances being taken on issues,"
echoed General Manager Howard Neal. "Regardless of whether people agree
with the stance or not, they appreciate the fact that we are out there
taking a stand. What drives talk radio are issues and intelligent
hosts, not particular ideologies or political stances."

But
critics point to KFI’s roster of hosts–such as weekday regulars
Limbaugh, Daryl F. Gates, John Kobylt, Ken Chiampou and Bill Handel,
and weekend personalities Hugh Hewitt, Barbara Whitesides, Joe Crummey
and Jane Norris–and see a lineup dominated by views that begin at the
middle of the political spectrum and head due east.

"If they’re
neutral, then who is their flaming left-wing liberal who they have on
for balance?" asked Sherrie Mazingo, associate professor of
broadcasting at USC. "They cannot suggest they are engaging in balanced
programming. When KFI doesn’t present a program or personality to
offset Limbaugh, then the station is saying, ‘Hey, this is the point of
view we subscribe to and this is someone who, in effect, is a
mouthpiece for us that is broadcasting basically the views of station
ownership.’ "

Some KFI hosts object to being categorized as
conservative. "It’s not a matter of ideology; we try to give a
common-sense look at problems," said Chiampou, who teams with Kobylt
weekdays from 4 to 7 p.m. Kobylt contends that their ideology is "all
over the place."

But KFI’s one avowed liberal host, Bill Press,
who is chairman of the California Democratic Party, says the station
leans to the right so much that "if I weren’t there, it would tilt so
far it would topple over." He’s heard only on Saturdays from 2 to 6 p.m.

Yet
Press, Mazingo and others who bemoan KFI’s lack of balance believe the
station is less interested in pushing a particular point of view than
in responding to what produces ratings. And its more conservative
stance has filled a void for many people who felt their views were not
getting expression, given the perceived liberal bias of the mass media,
Mazingo said.

"I think it’s a very wise move," she said. "As
always in regard to programming, we’re talking about the bottom line.
The bottom line here is that it has been demonstrated that there is an
audience out there–a substantial audience–for the expression of this
kind of point of view. It’s simply a matter of appealing to the
audience and giving them what they want. That sells ads and ads brings
revenue and profits to the station."

Limbaugh, whose program
(heard weekdays from 9 a.m. to noon on KFI) is syndicated to 600
stations around the country, said that merely being conservative does
not ensure success. "There are a lot of conservatives on the air
everywhere and they’re not doing as well," he said. "So there’s more to
it than that, though there clearly is an ideological factor in the
success of (my) program. But so what if KFI is (becoming more
conservative)–what’s wrong with that?"

KFI officials maintain
that being provocative, not simply ideological, is what has been the
key to their success in differentiating the station from and overtaking
its primary and once dominant competitor, KABC-AM (790).

Nevertheless, in taking a turn to the right, KFI has mirrored what talk-radio stations across the country are doing.

"A
liberal point of view now on talk radio is the alternative point of
view," said Tom Leykis, a liberal host who was fired by KFI last
September and replaced by Gates on weekday afternoons.

"There’s
no doubt that talk radio nationwide has been taken over by the right
wing," Press said. "I listen to talk radio wherever I travel and it has
become a sort of vehicle of conservative propaganda." But KFI has never
pressured him to change his views, he noted, and he believes the
station’s basic motivation is to live up to its promotional tag of
providing "more stimulating talk radio."

Not everyone believes the situation is so benign.

Mark
Schubb, West Coast director of the liberal media watchdog group
Fairness and Accuracy in Reporting, believes that, in addition to
influencing the topics for discussion, the KFI hosts’ political
orientation helps determine which callers get on the air.

"I
have called into a lot of talk shows there and the screeners very
aggressively pick and choose who gets on the air," Schubb said. "If you
have a really provocative viewpoint that doesn’t fit with the host’s,
you won’t get on."

KFI executives dispute that notion and contend that sparking such lively confrontations is their goal.

"I
think the bottom line is to bring more listeners to the station, and
whatever that takes, they’ll do," afternoon host Gates explained.
"They’re not there to set a political agenda, they’re there to sell the
shows."

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